WWII Outfits and Gear

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:07 am

Oh yeah, right. There's a fine source.

lol

Not all officers painted insignia on their helmets. Only the predominant figures that had to stand out did. Most didn't want helmet insignias because it was an attractive target for enemy snipers.

Jasonrocks · Post by **Jasonrocks** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:27 pm

Off the conversation about dangling helmet straps, I bought an american helmet a couple of week ago for 20p! 20 pence. Included liner straps, name it. But it had no insignia and it was hard plastic but a layer of paint nobody will tell the difference! Cheap or what.

Gyro · Post by **Gyro** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:16 pm

Not all officers painted insignia on their helmets.

But the point still stands, some did.

justin!butcher · Post by **justin!butcher** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:41 pm

But have you heard lectures from every single Vietnam and WWII veteran ever?[/quote]

I never said EVERY soldier did. It was a general rule. Do i need to put the definition of "general rule" in this post also!?!?

Gyro · Post by **Gyro** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:49 pm

Actually yes, last time I checked a "rule" was something you had to abide by.

spoonstudiosintl · Post by **spoonstudiosintl** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:52 pm

http://www.sproe.com/h/helmet.html

The chinstrap itself was often left undone (placed back on the rear of the helmet) in the mistaken belief that the force of an exploding artillery shell could catch the helmet and possibly decapitate or strangle a soldier with the chinstrap. Although the interior suspension system was adjustable and was enough to keep the helmet on the soldier's head in most situations when the chinstrap was not used, there were times when a soldier was forced to hold his helmet on his head with a free hand. The commanding officer of the 29th Infantry Division required that all of his men fasten their chinstraps at all times.

There. Didn't happen uniformly everywhere.

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:21 pm

Jasonrocks wrote:Off the conversation about dangling helmet straps, I bought an american helmet a couple of week ago for 20p! 20 pence. Included liner straps, name it. But it had no insignia and it was hard plastic but a layer of paint nobody will tell the difference! Cheap or what.

Plastic? A plastic steel pot or a modern one?

Gyro wrote:
Not all officers painted insignia on their helmets.
But the point still stands, some did.

What point? You never made a point. lol We were discussing chinstraps!

Gyro · Post by **Gyro** » Fri May 27, 2005 1:50 am

You said some didn't and then I said some did. There's my point.

tallman_house_pictures · Fri May 27, 2005 4:16 am

lol...I've missed a lot.
Through Vietnam, everyone wore the chinstraps! So ha! Point!
And in Korea, most of the South Korean troops had helmets with stripes painted on them. So ha! another, yet, point prooven! Shut down!

Anyways, Im working on the d-day plus 6 script. Hopefully, it will be done. I am getting a deactivated garand as well. I'll post some pics of a photo shoot we'll be doing soon (when i get them).

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:48 am

What in the blazes are you talking about, tallman_house_pictures!?

You did miss a lot! haha

justin!butcher · Post by **justin!butcher** » Fri May 27, 2005 2:33 pm

tallman_house_pictures wrote:lol...I've missed a lot.
Through Vietnam, everyone wore the chinstraps! So ha! Point!
And in Korea, most of the South Korean troops had helmets with stripes painted on them. So ha! another, yet, point prooven! Shut down!

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How do you figure we're all shut down? You are really dense huh? My uncle fought in NAm, I have talked to people in Nam, I did a presentation with a Vet from Nam!!!! They didnt fasten them because i they feared having their necks broken by an artillery or explosion near them!!!!!!! They might have been mistaken like spoon said!!! But who freakin cares?!!?! They did it anyway, and just bc you say so (!!!!!!!) doesnt mean they didnt.

DeadLogic · Post by **DeadLogic** » Fri May 27, 2005 4:57 pm

You're all being tremendously foolish, arguing in black and white terms about obsurd details. The fact remains that there is no one way that soldiers in WWII did anything. I'm a reenactor, and while I'm not going to claim that makes me god and master of all WWII gear ever created (far from it) I have a familiarity with most US WWII gear, having come in contact with it at some point during my travels. Your stupid argument about chinstraps is over nothing, because a soldier had the perrogative to wear his chinstrap on the back of the helmet, let them dangle, or wear it under the chin as he pleased. I can only say that having been in reenactments and trying to wear the chinstrap for myself has proved uncomfortable after just 15 minutes of wearing it. Letting them dangle from the helmet is annoying and obtrusive. Putting them on the back of the helmet affords you with more comfort, but the helmet is more liable to fall off unless you have a nicely rigged liner. Gyro's picture is not inaccurate because soldiers did whatever they damn well pleased with their chinstraps; and honestly, who the f*** cares? You all have way more accuracy issues than Gyro's goddamn dangling chinstraps.

As for helmet markings, again, soldiers did what they pleased. When you're fully embroiled in combat you're going to get shot at anyway. Why don't you all make some movies rather than nitpick at a picture for a week? You're not experts at WWII, and neither am I - just stop trying to act like one and start asking questions, rather than telling people how they're wrong.

Jasonrocks · Post by **Jasonrocks** » Fri May 27, 2005 5:01 pm

Epsilon wrote:
Jasonrocks wrote:Off the conversation about dangling helmet straps, I bought an american helmet a couple of week ago for 20p! 20 pence. Included liner straps, name it. But it had no insignia and it was hard plastic but a layer of paint nobody will tell the difference! Cheap or what.

Plastic? A plastic steel pot or a modern one?

Yes a steel pot ww2 style one. Bit like a paratrooper one I think it is. I got it for 20p, in cents I think its like 10 - 7 cents

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Fri May 27, 2005 8:39 pm

haha I've never seen a plastic replica of a steel helmet. Does it have a liner too?

Sounds like something good for stunts where you don't want to break your neck.

Gyro · Post by **Gyro** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:15 pm

DeadLogic wrote:You're all being tremendously foolish, arguing in black and white terms about obsurd details. The fact remains that there is no one way that soldiers in WWII did anything. I'm a reenactor, and while I'm not going to claim that makes me god and master of all WWII gear ever created (far from it) I have a familiarity with most US WWII gear, having come in contact with it at some point during my travels. Your stupid argument about chinstraps is over nothing, because a soldier had the perrogative to wear his chinstrap on the back of the helmet, let them dangle, or wear it under the chin as he pleased. I can only say that having been in reenactments and trying to wear the chinstrap for myself has proved uncomfortable after just 15 minutes of wearing it. Letting them dangle from the helmet is annoying and obtrusive. Putting them on the back of the helmet affords you with more comfort, but the helmet is more liable to fall off unless you have a nicely rigged liner. Gyro's picture is not inaccurate because soldiers did whatever they damn well pleased with their chinstraps; and honestly, who the f*** cares? You all have way more accuracy issues than Gyro's goddamn dangling chinstraps.

As for helmet markings, again, soldiers did what they pleased. When you're fully embroiled in combat you're going to get shot at anyway. Why don't you all make some movies rather than nitpick at a picture for a week? You're not experts at WWII, and neither am I - just stop trying to act like one and start asking questions, rather than telling people how they're wrong.

Bloody Thanks! Amen!

Jasonrocks · Post by **Jasonrocks** » Sat May 28, 2005 9:04 pm

Yes Epsilon, The pot does have liner. I found it at a boot sale, beside a banged up old car with a 20p sticker on the side of it. What a bargin, amazing what you can find at boot sales.

SgtPadrino · Post by **SgtPadrino** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:14 am

Darn, Deady beat me to the punch on that post. How many people here are still planning to make a WWII film anyway?

DeadLogic · Post by **DeadLogic** » Mon May 30, 2005 5:19 am

I have not made a film in a while, though I'm trying to retry that Burma adventure movie idea (see avatar)... Seemed like it would be a lotta fun, but a lots of stuff contributed to its failure.

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:14 am

We just finished a WW2 short. I'll try to get it up soon.

tallman_house_pictures · Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:38 pm

Nice. Get it up!
Anyone know a source for repro tommy helmet liners? I just got 5 pots.

DeadLogic · Post by **DeadLogic** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:19 pm

Tallman, can I buy some of those pots from you? Where'd you get them? I desprately need some british MK1 or MK 2 pots.

Jasonrocks · Post by **Jasonrocks** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:15 pm

Deadlogic, I can get tommy helmets from my local fancy dress shop. They sell plastic ones. With a strap too

windog · Post by **windog** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:20 pm

where can you get cheap outfits? any websites?

tallman_house_pictures · Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:49 pm

www.cheaperthandirt.com

Epsilon, I want to see your short!

DeadLogic · Post by **DeadLogic** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:06 pm

windog wrote:where can you get cheap outfits? any websites?

I can speak with relative certainty that there's no quick fix, no easy way to get the stuff you want. There's no way you're going to fund a good war movie with 50$, and no place sells complete paratrooper uniforms for 10$. There's no such thing as cheap replica garands, thompsons, K98s, or anything like that. Your best bet is to come up with the money necessary to buy decent quality props.